Word came that you will restart
Deliverance. Before we talk about the new Deliverance I want to look back first.
Deliverance was started by you in 1985 and you pushed the cart until late 1996/early 1997.
What were the reasons for Deliverance's demise?
Actually, I broke the group up in January 1996. There could be a whole lot of reasons but
what it all boils down to was that I was burned out. I needed a break and so did the other
guys (Manny & Jeff). They both had seen that I was becoming extremely bitter and
things werent going right any more. I vowed never to do music again and broke up the
I remember reading in HM Magazine that you went
through a "terrible time of disillusionment and backsliding the last two years".
When I interviewed Marcus Colon (who was part of Deliverance twice) earlier this year, he
also spoke about you not
wanting to do Deliverance again. There's also something about a German promoter I heard.
So, what circumstances made you feel burned out? What did you go through?
I would just like to say that it was a terrible
time for me, let's call it a valley for me. That's as far as I will go into it because as
far as the east is from the west, those days are long behind me and I do not wish to
remember them. As far as a German promoter, you'd have to be more specific and where you
heard your info from. And life in general with finances, lousy management, lying promoters
that were leaving my family starving, you name it, I could go on, but that is not
important now. For every lousy promoter, there were 10 good ones, but in life somehow the
bad outweighs the good unfortunately if you let it. As far as what I went through, I do
not wish to remember that part of my life.
Aha, so there were matters of
business. Considering your experiences with the whole
business side of being an artist, what would you like to say to young, starting bands?
What are the pitfalls to be aware of?
I would say, know that this is what you want to do. A calling as it were. There are
many pitfalls as you call them. I would say just don't trust anyone who says they are a
brother. Some are, and some aren't, but either way brother or not, they could not be to
bright on the biz side of things and knowingly or unknowingly mess things up.
Speaking of backsliding, Deliverance once broke from the scene along with Vengeance
Rising. Roger Martinez from VR lost his faith after many disillusionments. Now he's
basically trying to provocate people and trying to break down what he once tried to build
up. How do you feel about this situation? Is it something that touches you personally?
I've known Rog for some 13 years now and also knowing George Ochoa who was very close to
him at one time and my wife having worked with Roger's ex wife, all I can say is that
there were no disillusionments for him. He did what he did from the beginning. The
scripture says "they went out from us, because they were never part of us". That
might seem harsh, but look at his actions and tell me they are not harsh. I pray for his
soul, but he has made his own choice. There is no comparison between him and I.
If you look back to the Deliverance era, what emotions come up in your heart? How do you
feel about it and what are the things that made you feel happy back then and now?
For quite a long time and still even now to this day I always look at our first four years
together as being the best years of our history. The core nucleus did not change of
myself, Chris Hyde, and Brian Khairullah for a full 5 solid years. We were more than just
a band. We were a ministry and we were like family. Then we got signed and new members
were added and things literally changed overnight. After the second record
things were never the same between myself, Chris and Brian and that is when the magic was
lost. I wouldnt gain it back until 3 years later with Manny, a solid member
who would stick by me.
In a lot of ways I dug what was going on
musically, and I loved touring and making records but what was happening internally with
the band was disheartening. Then came the endless revolving door of band members, which to
this day leaves me a bit dismayed. But with the change of styles and the release of three
very introspective records (Stay, Learn and River) it brought back a reason to keep moving
on. So if I had to pick any era that brings me joy to think of it was the days of me,
Chris and Brian.
My second favorite era is from Learn on. They both represent something in my life, the
first representing innocence and friendship, the second representing artistry and
You also worked together with Gene Eugene on River
Disturbance and perhaps other releases too. Sadly though, he passed away this year. How do
you look back to the time when you hung out with him?
Actually, Gene Eugene engineered Stay Of
Execution, Learn and River Disturbance. Christian music and the world in general lost a
man who was beyond genius behind the mixing board. He was an amazing songwriter and a
loved friend, and I will miss him dearly.
Before the break up of the band you had talked
about doing a solo album under the moniker Peter Braun. As I understand it you recorded a
tape at the time. What happened with that?
Nothing unfortunately. I could never find anybody
that believed enough in my solo stuff, so consequently nothing ever became of it. I did do
a CD and 1,000 or so were released in Europe of which Im horribly embarrassed
because it just wasnt me. But hey, live and learn, lol
One of the things I did hear from you is the
Fearful Symmetry project you are still doing. I understand this is totally different from
anything you did with Deliverance. Can you explain what FS is about?
Fearful Symmetry is a project I began in late
1998. It was merely going to be a project and then YHVH (GOD) brought me a wonderful
writing partner named David Gilbreath, whom I enjoy writing with. He compliments my
writing style very well. It is a way for me to release songs I had written and continue to
write with subject matters that would never fit Deliverance, i.e.love songs, poetry that I
Every time I tried releasing a song that even came close to just being a
poem put to music, not having any meaning at all or being that which the hearer and reader
would have to lend their own interpretation. I always received letters asking "What
does that song have to do with Jesus?", or "How does that song fit in the gospel
plan?". I mean, YHVH (GOD) gave us brains, emotions and souls to savor a host of
things that happen in this life. I think Song of Solomon proves that point very well.
Christians can become very narrow minded and trap themselves in a world where they can
only see Christian dentists, shop at the Christian market, go to the Christian
optometrist, only buy Christian gasoline for their Christian car that was purchased with
Christian money from the Christian car salesman. Do you get the picture? We rob ourselves
of so many wonderful experiences and opportunities all in the name of pursuing holiness
and what we end up doing is locking ourselves and our God in a box. Fearful Symmetry was
and is a way for me to express other thoughts and feelings I have without having to answer
questions like, "Is that song about Jesus or your wife?" or "Where is that
in the Bible?" Its just music, it's just thoughts
And how would you describe Fearful Symmetry's
Electronica. (William Orbit/Erasure/David
Last year there was a letter posted in HM Magazine
that seemed to come from George Ochoa, former guitarist for Deliverance. In this letter he
announced the come-back of Deliverance and the recording of the follow up album to Weapons
Of Our Warfare, tentatively called The Pulling Down Of Strongholds. You were involved as
well as others from the old Deliverance line-up of the Weapons days. This letter struck me
because in interviews in years after the Weapons-era you indicated you were going for the
experiment and not artistic stagnation. Recording a follow-up seemed to me as a surrender
to the old fans and therefore the letter looked like a spoof. So, can you throw some light
into this matter?
This letter did come from George after he and I
had talked briefly about how fun it would be to record an album together again. Weapons
was our biggest seller and I am very proud of that having written 80% of that record. This
was a few years after Deliverance had broken up and it was simply me reminiscing and
having fun thoughts about doing a follow up to stir up that success once again. But after
a few months I realized that, as your question points out, I would be betraying myself as
an artist to do such a thing and decided against doing it.
Another thing that attracted my attention was the
announcement for the Sanctuary Reunion show featuring Deliverance among other classic
bands. The line-up for Deliverance was supposed to be you, Ochoa, Mike Grato and Jim
Chaffin. However, the band wasn't playing that show. What's the story?
This could take up a whole page but I will
condense it as best as possible. When I agreed to the reunion I had completely forgotten
that I was booked that month to fly back to Ohio to record the Fearful Symmetry record. I
did try to make plans with Fearful Symmetrys record label, Silent Recordings, to
make arrangements for me to fly back and do the show, but, and I know this sounds bad, I
just completely forgot to do so. In looking back on the whole situation I think
subconsciously I wanted to forget because after agreeing to do the reunion I regretted it.
A real Deliverance reunion would consist of me, Chris and Brian. And nothing against
George, I probably would
have preferred Glenn Rogers on guitar only for the reason that Glenn was part of the
original Deliverance. He jammed with me, Chris and Brian the longest so that would have
been a real reunion. Not what was going to take place at the Sanctuary thing.
However, Deliverance is coming back together as
you have made clear. What are the reasons to restart the band?
Timing I guess. It just seemed right. Manny and I
knew that this day was inevitable and that we would jam together again. But it was going
to have to take an act of God, and believe me it did. There was a lot of unfinished
business for us and I dont feel His
Majesty was done using us yet.
What's the line-up of the new Deliverance?
Jimmy P. Brown II, vocals and guitar, Manny
Morales, bass guitar, David Gilbreath, keys and programming. This is the new nucleus for
the big "D".
Currently there are two official Deliverance
Internet sites: One for the US and one for Europe. There might also be a third for the
Latin American world, I believe. Why three Deliverance sites? Is that workable and how
'official' are they?
At this time the "official" site is
dualedge.com which will move to DeliveranceLives.com possibly by the time this interview
is released. The ScreamsOfAbel site is an official fan site and the Latin American site
will all be done in Spanish. There are as well talks of a German site. But the true
official site that is in constant touch with our management is dualedge.com, soon to be
Someone asked me to ask you if you will make tabs
available on the site, like tabs for
classics as Jehovah Jireh. Any chance of this happening?
It is not in my agenda to do so at this time, but
The band will record an album called Assimilation
in February. This will be released through Indie Dreams Records. I visited the labels
website where the Deliverance is described as Thick Industrial Electronica. That doesn't
sound anything like Deliverance. So, how's the new Deliverance gonna be?
The reason you saw the description "thick
industrial Electronica" is that you popped in while the site was still under
construction. The web master just inserted that description to have a finished page to
submit for general approval, not an authorized description of what the new album will
sound like. The most I will tell you is that it will be the heaviest Deliverance album
since the first 2 releases minus the speed metal of course. The new project wont be
Weapons part II. There is going to be a definite electronic influence but I think to call
it industrial is overstating. It's heavy organic groove with industrial or electronic
Those terms like industrial and electronic make me
think of Marcus Colon's return with
Betrayal. You also once said you were going to do an industrial project with Marcus and
David Lavaggi called Fear The Killer. At least, that's what I grasped from HM Magazine.
Have you heard what Marcus Colon is doing on the Leaving Nevermore album?
Marc, David and I did do a demo and we worked for
a while on the project, but never had the time to see it through. Pity, they are both
extremely talented individuals and it was a pleasure to work with them not only with Fear
The Killer, but the Camelot CD as well. I have heard Marcus's new stuff, IT ROCKS!!! If
you haven't bought it, BUY IT! Marcus is extraordinary...
I asked you this with a next question in my head.
Your description of the new Deliverance made me somehow think of the new Betrayal. Is
Assimilation anyhow comparable to Leaving Nevermore? And do you have worked out songs or
is it still a concept in your head?
No, it is not comparable. Marcus, David Lavaggi, and myself have always been fans of
industrial/electronica music. David and Marcus being more of the industrial side where I
like more techno type of stuff. So, it is only natural that we are going to have
similarities seeing that we did work together many times, but there is going to be a vast
difference. Marc is a huge fan of like Nine Inch Nails, where I am a fan of Bowie, William
Orbit, and Brian Eno. All the artists mentioned are in the electronic vein, but very
different from each other. And songs are written and being written as we speak.
One of the plans is the release of an album called
Back In The Day - The First Four Years. What will this album contain and how will it be
Honestly, this is a disc for the true hard core,
gotta have everything, toothbrush, and hair follicle, collecting fan. It is a collection
of old, terrible, disgusting sounding demos that were in my closet of doom for all these
years. More than anything its a fond tribute to the pre-industry years that I will
cherish and hold forever. But do not be looking for glitz and glamour here, it is pure
filth at its best, and I mean that lovingly.
So, it's basically a record for historic
documentation of the pre-recording era, I
guess. I always loved that very simple yet beautiful song called A Space Called You which
was on the first California Metal Compilation in 1987. Any chance of resurfacing this
We might work up a version for live, but that's
With those new CD's coming out, are you planning
to come back with Deliverance full force? I mean, touring again and making records on a
For now yes, but we will see what the future
holds. There is nothing sure in life except 3 things: The love of YHVH, death, and